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Interview : Nita Deerpalsing<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n


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\u201cThe Labour Party has its \u2018force de frappe\u2019 and anyone would be a fool to underestimate us\u201d<\/span> <\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n

\u201cEvery single reasonable person in this country knows that the MSM is worth less than 2% today and falling. They\u2019ve already managed the incredible feat of snatching 50% of electoral tickets from the MMM\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n

\u201cI also can\u2019t recall any headline-happy clergy press conferences to voice concern about a banking institution such as the MCB which was caught in the winds of the UNPRECEDENTED scandal of the Rs800 million pensioner\u2019s money\u201d<\/span> <\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n

\u201cThe MSPA is one unit when it comes to asking for government to support them as a group but suddenly it says that it is a collection of individual estates and is even disbanding when it comes to giving workers their due\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n

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In addition to dispelling the apparent controversial points in connection with leadership guru Robin Sharma and his visit here, Nita Deerpalsing tackles head-on several other matters of acute interest in the polity in this week\u2019s interview, and puts to rest once and for all the myth of the invincibility and strength of the \u2018Refake\u2019 as she calls it. She makes sharp observations about some historical drifts that could have overturned the boat of nascent Independent Mauritius, were it not for the sagacity and vision of its leadership under the tutelage of Labour at that crucial time in the life of our country. Read on\u2026<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Mauritius Times: It would appear that the Young Labour meet with Robin Sharma, last week-end, has met with a significant measure of success \u2013 with a good 5000 young and not-so-young people coming to the Swami Vivekananda International Convention Centre to listen to the leadership guru. Great crowd-puller indeed, isn\u2019t he?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Nita Deerpalsing<\/strong>: (Smile). I am deeply amused as to just how much effort has been spent, specially from La Sentinelle group, to frantically downplay the overwhelming success which this Young Labour conference has had. But we know that when the guys at La Sentinelle feel so desperate to draw a picture which suits their hidden wishes, it\u2019s actually very good news for us!<\/span><\/p>\n

Let me give you some facts. We were really expecting some 6,000 youngsters, because this was a Saturday, what with the races, young people having university courses, tuition and so many other commitments on Saturdays, and a significant number observing religious fasting, etc. We only catered for about 1,000 chairs over and above the 5,000 seats which were in the main hall. Now anyone who was there would tell you that in addition to those taken seats, there were youngsters sitting down all over the place on the floor or on the steps of the \u2018gradins\u2019 as well as hundreds standing on the sides and at the back of the main hall. In addition, outside of the main hall, we had at least 3,000 youths and we had to scramble to find extra chairs for them, unfortunately there was a good thousand or so who had to stand. But there was more than just the crowd which went much, much more beyond our expectations. The palpable, crackling, energy of these youngsters was simply contagious!<\/span><\/p>\n

Even Weekend had to recognise that it was the Prime Minister, Dr Navin Ramgoolam \u2018qui a mobilis\u00e9 ces nombreux jeunes\u2019\u2026 and that the PM had \u201cun show \u00e0 l\u2019am\u00e9ricaine qui a d\u00e9cha\u00een\u00e9 un auditoire tout acquis \u00e0 sa cause.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

And you know what the bad news is for La Sentinelle ? It\u2019s that precisely because of the reasons I have just mentioned, in spite of this astounding success, we were not even at our best on that day! Ideally we would have held it on a Sunday, not on a Saturday and definitely after Eid. But unfortunately the next available date on Robin Sharma\u2019s schedule was not until January next year so we had to reluctantly keep the only date he could give us for this year.<\/span><\/p>\n

* However the Robin Sharma conference would not have been \u201cdu go\u00fbt de tout le monde\u201d according to l\u2019express, which adds that \u201cune vague de contestation, venant surtout de l\u2019opposition, a vu le jour\u2026\u201d in the wake of the announcement of his visit here. There is worse: the equation of Sharma\u2019s alleged support to the Labour Party with his naturalisation as a Mauritian citizen some six months back, and which has prompted some anonymous MMM Facebookers to say that Sharma would have sold his conscience! Now that\u2019s very serious if there has indeed been a trade-off. How do you react to that?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Well, allow me to paraphrase from Robin Sharma: some people get jealous when seeing the success of others, while smart people get inspired by the success of others.<\/span><\/p>\n

So you see, what I\u2019d say to those who cowardly hide behind \u2018anonymous\u2019 quotes and \u2018sources\u2019, and to the sour-grapes poor MMM folks is this: why waste your precious time and energy in such a negative, ugly and depleting emotion like jealousy? Get inspired instead, silly people!<\/span><\/p>\n

And let me share two other facts with you:<\/span><\/p>\n

First, the idea of bringing in Robin Sharma came up in a brainstorming session amongst Young Labour members when we were thinking of what could we do to innovate, to do something completely different, AND to bring value to the gathering of youth in the context of celebrating International Youth Day. At that time, I had absolutely no idea that Robin Sharma had acquired Mauritian nationality. So the question of trade-off was never even within the realm of imagination.<\/span><\/p>\n

Second, Robin Sharma charged his professional fees for doing this event on a strictly professional basis as for all his professional engagements across the world, so there again, there is absolutely no question of trade-off.<\/span><\/p>\n

But let me tell you what they are not talking about. Way back in March this year, we came up with a two-pronged activities plan for Young Labour: a series of iLEARN activities and a series of iCAN activities.<\/span><\/p>\n

The iLEARN activities are held on a Saturday of each month and we started the first one in May. They are a \u2018forum-debat\u2019 style with a theme, a resource person and lots of questions and answers. The objective of this stream of activities is to give the Young Labour members a structure where they can hone their thinking about specific issues and delve deeper, through questions and answers, to enrich their knowledge. It\u2019s essentially a LEARNING activity. So we\u2019ve had 4 iLEARN events so far: the first was on the History of the Labour Party, the second was on Maurice Ile Durable, the third was on the Ocean Economy and the fourth was Youth and Leadership with Robin Sharma. And we have 6 other iLEARN events already scheduled till the end of the year. Those who wish to find out more are welcome to check them out on www.younglabour.mu.<\/span><\/p>\n

The iCAN activities are on-the-ground activities and they are held at each constituency level on a Sunday of each month. The objective of this is to give a push to the \u201cI Can\u201d attitude of our youths and give them an opportunity to serve their \u2018quartiers\u2019 in a concrete \u2018can-do\u2019 manner. Here too, we\u2019ve already had three iCAN events and the schedule for each month till the end of the year is already set.<\/span><\/p>\n

We held a press conference, I think it was in April to announce all this and I did note with interest that at their 1st May gathering, Hon Berenger said some things about the youth.<\/span><\/p>\n

All this to say that I am very pleased and proud that the Labour Party has innovated and tried to raise the standard and do things a bit differently from the usual humdrum. You will have seen that for this Conference, we did not put a single \u2018affiche\u2019 nor a single \u2018banderole\u2019 anywhere in the country. Not even an advert on Radio or TV. We only used new technology and I daresay it was a fantastic event, perhaps a life changer for many of these youths to have Robin Sharma speak to them. The sparkles in their eyes, the elevation they felt, will forever remain in my memory as something invaluable, priceless!<\/span><\/p>\n

Anyway, like it or not, history will surely have to recall that we, in the Labour Party, have set the trend for others to follow!<\/span><\/p>\n

* Anyway, it does look like the Labour Party had great and urgent need for a Robin Sharma-inspired shot in the arm, what with the \u201caffairs\u201d that have been hogging newspaper headlines since the beginning of the year and been casting a (bad) spell on the political fortunes of a few Labour ministers and MPs and chairpersons of other parastatal bodies. What\u2019s your take on that?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Really? Have you seen the sorry sights of Anerood Jugnauth\u2019s public outings lately? The MedPoint 2 refake alliance has Anerood Jugnauth as Dr Navin Ramgoolam\u2019s challenger. Do you think poor Anerood Jugnauth can stand for hours on end, let alone walk on stage and display such ease in remembering facts and figures, and in answering questions with a mastery of minute details \u2013 and that too without a single paper in his hands — as Navin Ramgoolam did on Saturday? I\u2019m sorry, but the contrast is too crucifying for them.<\/span><\/p>\n

Besides, have you missed the fact that the Jugnauths are in vertiginous freefall as far as public opinion is concerned? I remember when Anerood Jugnauth was finally pushed to get out of Reduit, in a press conference I said: \u201cgood riddance, now he is the problem of the MMM\u201d. And that\u2019s exactly what the case is today! So from a purely political strength perspective, I have not a single iota of doubt that the Labour Party has its \u2018force de frappe\u2019 and anyone would be a fool to underestimate us, recent \u201cactualit\u00e9s\u201d or not.<\/span><\/p>\n

Now let\u2019s come to these infamous newspaper headlines you are talking about: it\u2019s a mixed bag! Some are absolutely exaggerated, others are valid and needed critiques and doing their job — calling the Executive to account — and this is always healthy in a democracy.<\/span><\/p>\n

So in the cases where the headlines are genuine, then it only goes to show that institutions are working! And shall we please say a little prayer to the Lord for that?! Shouldn\u2019t we also praise the Lord for the fact that we are certainly not in the times when an institution like the Economic Crime Office was forcefully and unceremoniously closed down within 24 hours! In a terribly urgent amendment to our constitution! D\u2019un trait de plume!<\/span><\/p>\n

Strangely enough I don\u2019t remember headline-happy priests running to press conferences then! Nor do I recall them splashing their oh-so-great-concern for institutions or for law and order between 2000 and 2005 in the cases of Vanessa Lagesse, Nadine Dantier, the little boy who was burnt to death, the couple who got drowned in Bassin Blanc, the manager who was murdered right in the safety of the \u2018caveau\u2019 of the Mauritius Commercial Bank.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tiens, tiens, come to think of it, I also can\u2019t recall any headline-happy clergy press conferences to voice concern about a banking institution such as the Mauritius Commercial Bank which was caught in the winds of the UNPRECEDENTED scandal of the Rs800 million pensioner\u2019s money.<\/span><\/p>\n

I also don\u2019t recall even a little whisper from the clergy when the NTan report was out and revealed what it revealed. Nor do I recall priests rushing from their pulpit to press conferences when the advice of the State Law Office (SLO) was dismissed and legal advice was sought outside of the institution of the SLO in order to push through the Illovo deal!<\/span><\/p>\n

So, the question is: where were our dear priests-cum-angel guardians of our institutions then? Selective amnesia – or does it have something to do with the fact that the name of the Prime Minister then was not Navin Ramgoolam? Anyone prepared to talk about inherent prejudice? Communalism perhaps? Am I treading on forbidden grounds? Or is prejudice officially reserved for one section of the population in this country?<\/span><\/p>\n

* As regards the \u201caffairs\u201d that come to nag incumbent governments, you had earlier commented, in relation to the MedPoint issue, that \u201cnot everything that is legal is necessarily also moral\u201d. You wouldn\u2019t change your moral position as regards these affairs, would you? I presume the Jeannot, MITD affairs, etc., would also have made a Young Labour rather uncomfortable, wouldn\u2019t it? <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

We all know that the MSM would still be happily in government today if the pressure from the MSM to \u2018touffe l\u2019enquete\u2019 was fruitful. We also know that this Prime Minister has a standing record about people stepping down when there is a prima facie case established. So as I said before, we have institutions in this country and we need to let them do their work. I\u2019m not saying everything is perfect under the sun. Where there are humans, there is greed. Look at the latest headlines about Thierry Lagesse\u2019s car. I don\u2019t know what the real story is but suffice it to say that there will always be denunciations \u2013 valid or not \u2013 and the important thing is that institutions must be allowed to do their work. That, if anything, is the sign of a healthy democracy!<\/span><\/p>\n

That being said, I do think that there is a dire need of a shake up in the parastatals where some are sitting there as if they\u2019ve been put there for life or even their afterlife! Not to mention the super-ego trip on which some are travelling. In any case, for the little that I know about the Prime Minister, I don\u2019t think he thinks too highly of some of these guys. Anyway, let\u2019s see what ensues\u2026 <\/span><\/p>\n

* Other young persons have also expressed their discomfort with the state of affairs prevailing in the country \u2013 presumably under a Labour-led government \u2013 by choosing to stay away from the country (their Dad said in Week-end, last month, that \u201cje suis content que mes enfants avocats aient quitt\u00e9 ce pays\u201d). Another young intellectual said she was \u201cf\u00e2ch\u00e9e\u201d with the country and railed against what she termed the \u201ch\u00e9g\u00e9monie hindoue\u201d which, according to her, would have taken over the Civil Service. That\u2019s bad publicity for the country, especially so for a Labour-led Mauritius, isn\u2019t it?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m afraid, for me there is no such thing as a Labour-led Mauritius, there is a Republic of Mauritius, tout court. And I really have no problem with people expressing their individual opinion. I don\u2019t think we should get on high horses about those opinions. Let people talk! We are in a democracy. We can disagree with people\u2019s opinions and we must learn to articulate our disagreements without attacking the person. People can be right or wrong. People can be wrongly motivated. People can be under loads of misconceptions. All these things happen in a democracy. What is important is that we face the issues in an intellectually honest and respectful manner. We don\u2019t need to jump as if we want to put a \u2018fatwa\u2019 on anyone for having expressed their opinion!<\/span><\/p>\n

Regarding the \u2018h\u00e9g\u00e9monie hindoue\u2019, I personally find this to be terribly simplistic and it overlooks the very complex forces at play even within what is called the Hindu community. Anyone who makes such a reductive categorization is either oblivious to, or too readily overlooking, the deep fractures within supposed \u2018homogeneous\u2019 social groups in Mauritius. There are a host of newly manufactured identities in this country and this makes for a much more complex story than this headline grabbing \u2018h\u00e9g\u00e9monie\u2019 story. So I wouldn\u2019t get onto my high horses about this, I think we should engage in the debates without becoming over-sensitive about categorized identities.<\/span><\/p>\n

* The interview of the Chairperson of the Equal Opportunities Commission, Mr Brian Glover, last weekend, also makes depressing reading about certain things prevailing in Mauritius to this day – the undercurrent of ethnic discrimination, for instance, that still afflicts the labour market to a certain extent \u2013 both in the public and private sectors. <\/span>He says that \u201cMaurice est malade de ses passions claniques\u2026 nous sommes un pays d\u2019otages, certains sont otages du pass\u00e9, d\u2019autres du pessimisme ambiant, d\u2019autres encore d\u2019un complexe d\u2019\u00e9piderme\u201d\u2026 <\/span>Your opinion ?<\/span> <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Indeed we are still saddled with historical grievances, and we have \u2018ingeniously\u2019 manufactured new ones as well. We are almost going to reach a point where everyone has an imaginary ethnic grievance to gripe about! Despite the smallness of the size of our population, we have a social fabric which is hugely complex underneath the surface.<\/span><\/p>\n

This is why the Equal Opportunities Commission is a game-changing and important institution. And may I remind you that despite all the talks in the past, it is THIS government, under the prime ministership of THIS Prime Minister, i.e. Dr Navin Ramgoolam that such institutions have been set up!<\/span><\/p>\n

* We have heard you canvassing support for a secular Mauritius lately and very little about the going-ons in the sugar and energy sectors and much less about the democratisation agenda. What\u2019s so urgent and important about this secular agenda ?<\/span><\/p>\n

Let me first reassure you that I\u2019m still following the issues you have mentioned even if I may not have been publicly vocal about them. On the sugar sector for example, I note that the MSPA is one unit when it comes to asking for government to support them as a group but suddenly it says that it is a collection of individual estates and is even disbanding when it comes to giving workers their due. It reflects one of those \u2018otages du pass\u00e9\u2019 that Mr Glover was talking about.<\/span><\/p>\n

And it is precisely in order to break free from \u2018les otages du passe\u2019 that the secular agenda is important!<\/span><\/p>\n

Let\u2019s face the facts. We started off at Independence with some 44% voting against independence. Let us not beat around the bush and acknowledge that the 44% happened to be aligned with one social category of the population, if you allow me some simplification that I myself abhor. But it is important in this analysis. So we are still carrying that societal fracture in our national psyche whether you like it or not or whether anyone wants to face it or not. And there is a whole slew of things that go with that fracture. Including the visceral fear of the \u201cIndo\u201d that was instilled in a vile, toxic prejudice campaign to pit dark-skinned Indo-Mauritians as \u2018savages\u2019 that one could never trust.<\/span><\/p>\n

To a large extent, this social imagination is not dead and buried. On the other hand, as a reaction, the perception that non-Indo-Mauritians are less endowed with a sense of effort towards nation building still runs deep amongst Indo-Mauritians. Let me hasten to say that I absolutely hate making such wide generalisations but for the purpose of this commentary I\u2019ve had to resort to some caricaturing. But the fundamental point is that there are still fissures along religious lines, not because of the religion itself but more because the religions were aligned at that time with specific wide social categorisations.<\/span><\/p>\n

Then you have today\u2019s modern Mauritius where a law about giving women\u2019s rights over their bodies has to be whispered into Parliament because some religious people want the laws of God to be the laws of the State. These people want the State to invest, fund and run a police, an Executive, a Judicial system which would spend the State\u2019s resources ensuring that the Sins of the Books become the sins of the State. I fail to see why we are so presumptuous to think that God needs a human workforce to do the job of punishing us for our sins!<\/span><\/p>\n

Then you also have a system where people have the perception that one religion or the other has some kind of supremacy in the country. All this is unhealthy! You cannot have a modern, forward-looking nation with all kinds of existential insecurities lurking just under the surface. Unspoken but felt. We cannot push those under the carpet. If we want to get to a common sense of nationhood, over and above our rich diversity, we need to ensure that each citizen has an equal amount of existential security. And this is why I am insistent on this secular agenda.<\/span><\/p>\n

This is why I would like it to be dead clear in our Constitution. This one word \u2013 secular \u2013 would be one common reference point for all of us to relate to our nationhood as equal citizens. Without sub-texts. Without under the surface sous-entendus. Without this space wherein doubts and perceptions (right or wrong), and all kinds of grievances \u2013 imaginary or otherwise — can proliferate.<\/span><\/p>\n

And let me say that there are several flavours of secularism. We need to design our own to respond to our plural, complex society. I am convinced that until we\u2019ve taken that issue of secularism head on, we will be pitching under our potential as a nation which is much more than the sum of its parts.<\/span><\/p>\n

* The Leader of the MMM, Mr Paul B\u00e9renger, will hold, on his part, a public conference on \u2018Le socialisme aujourd\u2019hui\u2019 on Saturday 17th August 13 at the Municipality of Quatre Bornes. Too bad he has not chosen to expatiate upon his cherished latter-day \u2018dada\u2019: electoral reform, but his thinking on today\u2019s socialism may be worth listening to. What do you think? <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Well I for one, would be curious to hear the perspective of Honourable Berenger on today\u2019s socialism! Let us hear what he has to say \u2013 so I reserve my comments until after that conference!<\/span><\/p>\n

* As regards electoral reform itself, what\u2019s the thinking of the \u2018Young Labour\u2019 wing of the Party on this subject?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

As with any other political group, we have a diversity of views amongst the Labour Party and it\u2019s Young Labour wing. We still need to have an open debate about the subject and we\u2019ll probably have one soon. But I think we all have an open mind about the issue. What is important is that the nation comes out stronger after such a reform. All reforms have caveats but we need to look on balance what is best for the future of the country.<\/span><\/p>\n

* You wouldn\u2019t want the country to miss this \u201coccasion historique de r\u00e9ussir une bonne r\u00e9forme \u00e9lectorale\u201d, as Mr Berenger puts it, given the MSM\u2019s \u201c100%\u201d alignment with the MMM\u2019s proposals with regard to the reform of our electoral system, would you?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m sorry I can\u2019t help smiling when I hear about MSM\u2019s 100% alignment with the MMM! Every single reasonable person in this country knows that the MSM is worth less than 2% today and falling. They\u2019ve already managed the incredible feat of snatching 50% of electoral tickets from the MMM; in addition to almost 50% of illusory prime ministership for a candidate who would be closing in on his 90th birthday at the time of general elections! Boy, are those people desperate for power or what??? Now, given how desperate they are, you wouldn\u2019t now expect the MSM to be so greedy as to say that after all that, they couldn\u2019t be 100% agreeable with the MMM would you? I know\u2026 it is hard not to associate the word \u2018greedy\u2019 with the MSM\u2026 but please, do make an effort! (smiles)<\/span><\/p>\n

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* Published in print edition on 8 August \u00a02013<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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